From: Stacey
I'm a huge Beatles fan!! And actually, I like the Joe Cocker version too. It's one of the extrememly few Beatles covers I've ever heard that I thought to myself "Wow, that was good." :) You know, my best friend's favourite girl name is Juliana and her middle name in Michelle...that's not you is it, Amanda? ;) :p
From: Julianna Michelle
No Mike didn't write "What am i doin' Hanging Round?" Michael Martin Murphey and Owen Castleman wrote it (Lewis and Clarke). These guys' bass player was John London. He played on a few of the Monkees tunes and then joined Michael's First National Band in the early 70's. However, Michael did choose this song himself. Good choice, Nez! I've seen Michael Martin Murphey in concert and he's great. I love his song "Wild Fire"; does anybody know it? I love the song "Of You" which Mike sings but he didn't write it...darn. And "Listen to the Band" is just so Majestic! Especially on "33 & 1/3", Mike really gets into it, not to mention it's the BEST part and one of the only few good parts in the whole movie!
From: gv
Why should it matter if I compared the Monkees to the Teletubbies?--because I was comparing the TV CHARACTER Monkees to the TeleTubbies, not the real life Monkees to the Teletubbies. Besides, I've never seen a whole episode of the TeleTubbies. And I told you I have a way different interpretation of who the TeleMonkees are than the rest of you. (No, it's not slash.)
From: Brad Waddell
Date: 6/10/01
Time: 12:26:28 AM
Remote Name: 148.74.246.10
Welcome to the discussion at Monkees.Net! This is the second attempt to create a discussion group here, you can see the first set of messages from the link on the welcome page.
I made a change to the last group which accidentally caused new topics to be posted in the middle of the list - rather hard to find! This version should post new topics at the top of the list, and is wider to allow deeper topics with more replies. Comments welcome at:
brad@monkees.net
thanks!
brad
From: Stacey
Ok, for reals...is that Amanda? (by the way, if you're not Amanda and you have no freaking idea who I am or why I'm acusing you of being my best friend, I'm very sorry!)
From: Julianna Michelle
I can't really think of a Monkee song that I like the 2nd version better of. I like Peter on Can you Dig It? as well. I'm sure there are a few Beatle fans in here right? Well I like the Cocker version of A Little Help from my Friends better.
From: Brad Waddell
Date: 6/10/01
Time: 3:25:13 AM
Remote Name: 148.74.246.10
This is a test message and should show up above the first message.
Thanks for visiting Monkees.Net!
From: Julianna Michelle
Nope, Mike didn't write "What am I doin' Hanging 'round?" Michael Martin Murphey and Owen Castleman (Lewis and Clarke) wrote it. These guys' bass player was John London who played on a few Monkee tunes and later joined Michael's First National Band in the early 70's. However, Michael did choose this song himself. Good choice, Nez! I've seen Michael Martin Murphey in concert and he's great. I love his song "Wild Fire" about a girl who loses her horse in a storm, anybody know it? I really like Mike's song "Of You" which he sings but unfortunately didn't write...darn! I love "Listen to the Band" especially as sung on "33 and 1/3" because Mike gets so into it, not to mention it's the best part of the movie and one of the very few good parts. I also adore when Mike, Micky and Davy sang... what was it?...Nine Times Blue I believe...on the Johnny Cash show; so much beauty.
From: Tyme
Date: 6/10/01
Time: 6:25:46 AM
Remote Name: 24.218.10.203
Great job Brad. This should be interesting and way easier to navigate. Kudos to you!
Tyme
From: Julianna Michelle
Nope, Mike didn't write "What am I doin' Hanging 'round?" Michael Martin Murphey and Owen Castleman (Lewis and Clarke) wrote it. These guys' bass player was John London who played on a few Monkee tunes and later joined Michael's First National Band in the early 70's. However, Michael did choose this song himself. Good choice, Nez! I've seen Michael Martin Murphey in concert and he's great. I love his song "Wild Fire" about a girl who loses her horse in a storm, anybody know it? I really like Mike's song "Of You" which he sings but unfortunately didn't write...darn! I love "Listen to the Band" especially as sung on "33 and 1/3" because Mike gets so into it, not to mention it's the best part of the movie and one of the very few good parts. I also adore when Mike, Micky and Davy sang... what was it?...Nine Times Blue I believe...on the Johnny Cash show; so much beauty.
From: Mark T.
Date: 6/10/01
Time: 6:46:11 AM
Remote Name: 128.175.144.227
Brad, this new board looks like it will be much better! Thanks a lot!
However, I cannot find any where to reply to messages without having to start a new thread. Is it me, or is there no reply button option in the posts?
From: Julianna Michelle
You're nosy! :o)
From: Steffie
Date: 6/10/01
Time: 8:00:58 AM
Remote Name: 64.12.105.22
Thank you Brad for the new Discussion Board. Looking forward to the concert reviews.
From: Ashley
The first time I heard tapioca tundra, I thought,"gee, that guitar part sounds familiar..." but I never knew it was from that song. I was hoping whatever song I was thinking of was somebody ripping off the Monkees, and not the Monkees ripping off somebody. LOL Well, I know how you feel.
Ashley
From: Chris Coyle
Date: 6/10/01
Time: 10:42:54 AM
Remote Name: 198.113.37.247
Can I believe my eyes? But how do we reply?
This looks likes the Monkees Collecting discussion brd. They have a reply button over there.
A repo mans life is always intense!
Chris
From: Julianna Michelle
You're nosy, babe! :)
From: Mark T.
Date: 6/10/01
Time: 4:01:17 PM
Remote Name: 128.175.144.185
There are rumors floating around that a live CD is being sold at the summer shows so far, entitled "Live in Vegas 2001".
Can anyone who's been to a show confirm this, and if so, list the tracks on it?
Thanks.
From: Julianna Michelle
Hey Beth, babe. Good for you! I've tried to get my cousins hooked on the Beatles; we watched Help! but they just didn't dig it. I have yet to try the Monkees on 'em. I mean I s'pose the Monkees are a bit more juvenile in the image the corporation made for them, so maybe my cousins will like them better. Do your friends like comedy or drama better? Because once you get your hands on "The devil and Peter Tork" and "Fairy Tale", show them those two episodes because they'll make a great impression, I think. I sent those 2 to my friend In Germany and I believe it worked on her and her friend! You just have to find what they like and play it up. Like if one of them likes Davy, show them "I wanna be free", or maybe "You and I" or "A man without a dream" (2 of my Davy faves!) Say Beth, who's your favorite Monkee man? :)
From: **Ashley**
Date: 6/10/01
Time: 6:14:17 PM
Remote Name: 152.163.204.211
I haven't bought the CD (yet) so I don't know what songs are on it. But I was doing my daily browsing on eBay and I saw this: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewItem&item=1429323227 The auction is over but they sold the live CD. I don't know if this helps any.
(I was the first person to reply on the new board! Groovy!)
From: Julianna Michelle
Hey Beth, babe. Good for you! I've tried to get my cousins hooked on the Beatles; we watched Help! but they just didn't dig it. I have yet to try the Monkees on 'em. I mean I s'pose the Monkees are a bit more juvenile in the image the corporation made for them, so maybe my cousins will like them better. Do your friends like comedy or drama better? Because once you get your hands on "The devil and Peter Tork" and "Fairy Tale", show them those two episodes because they'll make a great impression, I think. I sent those 2 to my friend In Germany and I believe it worked on her and her friend! You just have to find what they like and play it up. Like if one of them likes Davy, show them "I wanna be free", or maybe "You and I" or "A man without a dream" (2 of my Davy faves!) Say Beth, who's your favorite Monkee man? :)
From: Deborah in Clearwater
Date: 6/10/01
Time: 7:01:21 PM
Remote Name: 24.96.60.132
Thanks Brad!!
From: gv
I don't know a great deal about the Teletubbies, having only seen partial episodes, but anyhoo, I was comparing them to the tv character Monkees, not the real life Monkees. I remind you also that I have a peculiar translation of the TV characters.
From: Monkeescott
Date: 6/10/01
Time: 7:25:49 PM
Remote Name: 63.31.136.216
I went to the Lexington, KY show, and there was no cd set, I woner if there is any way to order it? I gotta have it!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: Julianna Michelle
Stacey, Maybe I am, and maybe I AM. But come now, let's not take advantage of Brad's wonderful board, alright? :)
To all my other Monkee Family Members, sorry all my messages get posted more than once but I keep having problems with this page and it won't ever send my messages. And I also did hear that they were releasing a soundtrack from their concerts in Vegas, but I couldn't tell you anything about it; I've only heard it as a rumor. Actually, I think one lady said that that she bought one at a concert, but you can only buy them at concerts, I'm not sure. Anyone else?
From: Monkeescott
Date: 6/10/01
Time: 7:44:02 PM
Remote Name: 63.31.136.216
Thanks for the response Brad! Thanx for all of the hard work...MonkeesRule!!!!!!!Scott
From: Mandi
John Gardner, the morning DJ for the oldies station in Milwaukee (95.7 WRIT), is a DEFINITE Monkees fan.
Every morning, when he does special announcements, he uses the opening guitar riff from 'Mary, Mary'.
When Micky was in town just last May, he did an interview in the studio with John, and he went ecstatic.
In fact, a month BEFORE micky came to milwaukee, the station had a complete weekend DEVOTED to the Monkees, just because ONE of them was coming, and they played a lot of less than known singles. Woke up Saturday morning to 'Tapioca Tundra'. Also played 'Heart and Soul' too.
Ah, it's great when your radio's DJ is a monkees fan?
later
mandi
From: Vixen@monkeeschat.com
Date: 6/10/01
Time: 7:57:51 PM
Remote Name: 65.66.70.0
I agree with all the comments. Now my scroll finger won't hurt from trying to scan the posts {grin}
From: Julianna Michelle
Hey my monkee Family! I'm from New Mexico, 4 hours away from Mike's. I've only been a fan about a year, but I fell and fell hard. Mike's my favorite, for the obvious reason that I can relate so much to him and he's made me see NM in a whole different, beautiful light. And I still think he's sexy even though he's 43 years older than me! (I'm 16.) Everytime I go to visit my grandma in Santa Fe, I'm on the look-out in resteraunts and places like Shidoni. Mike would like Shidoni, anyone been there? Dan- Stacey has ME to thank for all her episodes! :) I got very lucky and I only payed $50 ($20 from Stace) for every episode plus "33 & 1/3", "Heart and Soul", "Head", and "Justus"! I'm a great business women....or something? :) And I agree wholeheartedly with you about Mike's songs sort of standing on their own. They do, don't they? The don't quite go with all the other Monkee songs, oh but they're so grand and beautiful! Mary, I have a friend who graduated from the University of Florida! He's now a law major at George Town in DC. But he's always going on and on about "Go Gators!" So now I have a soft spot for U of F! Teresa, I saw Michael Murhpey in concert as well! What year'd you see him? I love "wildfire". Stacey, Yes nimrod it is I. And you know...I think it IS "grateful"...sorry. :p Mike'll still love you! Both Stacey and I saw the Monkees in concert April 5th. We magically got backstage, without being on "the list"! Yay for us! It was the best night of my life, Peter is so extremely nice! And I got to meet my love Tadg Galleran of Peter's band Shoe Suede Blues! Stacey's sister got hit on by Micky AND the drummer of SSB! That unthankful fiend! Now I have ALL of the Monkees autographs, personalized, including Mike's! (My love!) But the TRAGEDY of it all...we took the film....the wonder film of us with Peter...with Micky (we didn't get one with Davy :(....we took it to Walmart....yes Walmart. And can anyone guess what happened?! THEY EXPOSED THE FILM AND RUINED EVERY LAST PICTURE!!!!!!!!! I cried for a week, and still can't look at pictures without getting all depressed!! Condolences are welcome! I think we should have a "Monkee film funeral" man! And boycott Walmart! At least their film department! Utterly depressed now that I started to think about it...., Amanda (Julianna)- Michelle
From: Rita
Date: 6/10/01
Time: 8:10:23 PM
Remote Name: 205.188.196.23
I was at the St. Louis show---and yes, there is a new CD---but no, I didn't get a chance to look at it---sorry! There are also new Summer 2001 T-shirts---one is a blue tie-dye look---the other is black---$30 each. There was a stuffed animal again, the $5 photo, and also a $5 magnet.
From: Julianna Michelle
Hey my monkee Family! I'm from New Mexico, 4 hours away from Mike's. I've only been a fan about a year, but I fell and fell hard. Mike's my favorite, for the obvious reason that I can relate so much to him and he's made me see NM in a whole different, beautiful light. And I still think he's sexy even though he's 43 years older than me! (I'm 16.) Everytime I go to visit my grandma in Santa Fe, I'm on the look-out in resteraunts and places like Shidoni. Mike would like Shidoni, anyone been there? Dan- Stacey has ME to thank for all her episodes! :) I got very lucky and I only payed $50 ($20 from Stace) for every episode plus "33 & 1/3", "Heart and Soul", "Head", and "Justus"! I'm a great business women....or something? :) And I agree wholeheartedly with you about Mike's songs sort of standing on their own. They do, don't they? The don't quite go with all the other Monkee songs, oh but they're so grand and beautiful! Mary, I have a friend who graduated from the University of Florida! He's now a law major at George Town in DC. But he's always going on and on about "Go Gators!" So now I have a soft spot for U of F! Teresa, I saw Michael Murhpey in concert as well! What year'd you see him? I love "wildfire". Stacey, Yes nimrod it is I. And you know...I think it IS "grateful"...sorry. :p Mike'll still love you! Both Stacey and I saw the Monkees in concert April 5th. We magically got backstage, without being on "the list"! Yay for us! It was the best night of my life, Peter is so extremely nice! And I got to meet my love Tadg Galleran of Peter's band Shoe Suede Blues! Stacey's sister got hit on by Micky AND the drummer of SSB! That unthankful fiend! Now I have ALL of the Monkees autographs, personalized, including Mike's! (My love!) But the TRAGEDY of it all...we took the film....the wonder film of us with Peter...with Micky (we didn't get one with Davy :(....we took it to Walmart....yes Walmart. And can anyone guess what happened?! THEY EXPOSED THE FILM AND RUINED EVERY LAST PICTURE!!!!!!!!! I cried for a week, and still can't look at pictures without getting all depressed!! Condolences are welcome! I think we should have a "Monkee film funeral" man! And boycott Walmart! At least their film department! Utterly depressed now that I started to think about it...., Amanda (Julianna)- Michelle
From: Andrea - Monkeestock 2001
I love the new setup Brad, and one of the highlights of my day is checking out what's new on the Monkees Discussion Board, but what about the groovy topics Cory had started late last week? I was signing on just now to add my 2 cents worth, and I'm not sure if I should add to them on the other board, or if maybe we should start them again on this one. And Cory, glad to see you're back! Great topics...you must've been thinking about us while you were away :)
Monkeelove 4-ever! www.fanstuffonline.com/monkeestock2001.html
From: Julianna Michelle
I too have made an All Mike tape. I affectionatley entitled it "All Nez tunes for Amanda..." Yay! I eventually ran out of Mike songs and had to tag on Peter's but then I also ran out of those (it was a long tape) so I put like, "Oh My My" and "Mommy and Daddy" on it. And you know, the non-Mike tunes are just out of place. You're right, babe!
From: Mark
Just add them here.
From: Julianna Michelle
I too have made an All Mike tape. I affectionatley entitled it "All Nez tunes for Amanda..." Yay! I eventually ran out of Mike songs and had to tag on Peter's but then I also ran out of those (it was a long tape) so I put like, "Oh My My" and "Mommy and Daddy" on it. And you know, the non-Mike tunes are just out of place. You're right, babe!
From: Mark T.
This comes from Rob on AMM:
Intro/Clarksville Little Bit Me Randy Scouse Git Auntie Grizelda Valleri Goin' Down Lucille Oliver Medley Since I Fell For You Is You Is Or Is You Ain't My Baby Higher and Higher Girl Two Part Invention In F I'm A Believer Papa Gene's Blues That Was Then, This Is Now Porpoise Song/Listen To The Band Daydream Believer Stepping Stone Pleasant Valley Sunday
The disc is credited to "Peter Tork, Davy Jones, and Micky Dolenz" and was produced by Jerry Renino, the bassist.
Just a quick comment on the CD. I think it is a better recording than the 1987 live offering. The performances sound fresher. It is not as "Las Vegasy" as the 1987 LP. Also, the music isn't drowned out by audience screams. Plus it is cool to have Peter's arrangement of Lucille on disc. The highlight for me is Papa Gene's Blues from the acoustic set. Great sounding stuff.
However, the bottom line is this: if you went to a show this year and enjoyed it , you'll love the disc. If you aren't interested in Monkees 2001, then perhaps this isn't for you.
From: Julianna Michelle
I too have made an All Mike tape. I affectionatley entitled it "All Nez tunes for Amanda..." Yay! I eventually ran out of Mike songs and had to tag on Peter's but then I also ran out of those (it was a long tape) so I put like, "Oh My My" and "Mommy and Daddy" on it. And you know, the non-Mike tunes are just out of place. You're right, babe!
From: Mark T.
This is from AMM again:
---------- Kansas City set list:
Overture (medley performed by backup band of Monkees hits and famous LP cuts)
Clarksville
Look Out Here Comes Tomorrow
For Pete's Sake
Randy Scouse Git
Mary, Mary
Grizelda
It's Nice To Be With You
Girl I Knew Somewhere
She Hangs Out
Long Title (Peter introduced this as "one of my compositions, witten by George Harrison")
Circle Sky
I Wanna Be Free/Love You Forever
Goin' Down
Girl
Higher and Higher
Purple Haze
Since I Fell
Oliver
Lucille
Little Bit Me
Shades Of Gray
Bach Invention
Valleri
Acoustic Set:
Take a Giant Step (Peter's arrangement from
STRANGER THINGS HAVE HAPPENED)
Papa Gene's Blues
You and I (JUSTUS/DJBH song, not the 1969 "You
and I")
Band returns:
I'm A Believer
Can You Dig It
Porpoise Song / Listen to the Band
Daydream Believer (joined by Natural)
Encore:
That Was Then, This Is Now
Steppin Stone
Pleasant Valley Sunday
This was my third Monkees show in two weeks. (I missed the 80's tours and 90's tours so my POV is probably different than a lot of you older diehard fans) and I have to say that Micky, Davy and Peter are great entertainers who work their asses off. Even if you know the jokes, each show is different. While the Monkees may not be my all-time favorite pop group(some of you have teased me about liking the Beach Boys and Brian Wilson), I have to say with all honesty that the Monkees shows that I have seen blow away any Beach Boys show that I have seen. The set list may not have changed much from the spring tour, but almost every Monkees album (except for INSTANT REPLAY and CHANGES) is represented. They manage to blend rarities and hits in a way that is satisfying. And their energy and chemistry are infectious. Old guys or not, Micky, Davy and Peter have more energy onstage than I do (and I'm young enough to be their son!)
So it's not 1986 with the sold out arenas and stadiums. Each show I've been to has (St. Louis and Kansas City were close to being sell outs) been very well attended From a happy ending standpoint, if they decided to end touring as the Monkees after 2001, they would leave on a high note. Monkeewalking into the Wide Blue Yonder!
From: Stacey
Just gotta say.....I KNEW IT!!!!!!!!!
From: Mark T.
Let's try that track listing again:
Intro/Clarksville
Little Bit Me
Randy Scouse Git
Auntie Grizelda
Valleri
Goin' Down
Lucille
Oliver Medley
Since I Fell For You
Is You Is Or Is You Ain't My Baby
Higher and Higher
Girl
Two Part Invention In F
I'm A Believer
Papa Gene's Blues
That Was Then, This Is Now
Porpoise Song/Listen To The Band
Daydream Believer
Stepping Stone
Pleasant Valley Sunday
From: Juilanna Michelle
Leigh, Hey I'm Stacey best friend. I thought we were the only ones! You're right that does make me feel a lot better that your film was exposed as well...I mean not that I like you being in pain as well, but now I'm not alone! I swear, I can't even look at pictures without thinking "why'd we leave our cameras in the car and why'd Walmart have to ruin our role!!!!" You know, we took the film to a specialist and they developed them for free because they felt so sorry and appaled! Even though none really turned out anyway! Oh well...everything happens for a reason but I have yet to figure this one out. The great tragedy of my life! :( We've got to stick together, babe!
From: Mark T.
While I must thank the band for giving us a live CD, I can't believe the solo stuff like the Oliver Medley, etc. was put on the CD instead of songs like "Girl I Knew Somewhere", "Can You Dig It", or even "She Hangs Out". These are all songs we don't have live versions of (not including "The Girl I Knew Somewhere" on the Live '67 set). Disappointed in that, but at least we have a new CD finally!
From: Juilanna Michelle
Leigh, Hey I'm Stacey best friend. I thought we were the only ones! You're right that does make me feel a lot better that your film was exposed as well...I mean not that I like you being in pain as well, but now I'm not alone! I swear, I can't even look at pictures without thinking "why'd we leave our cameras in the car and why'd Walmart have to ruin our role!!!!" You know, we took the film to a specialist and they developed them for free because they felt so sorry and appaled! Even though none really turned out anyway! Oh well...everything happens for a reason but I have yet to figure this one out. The great tragedy of my life! :( We've got to stick together, babe!
PS everyone else, I'm sorry my messages keep getting posted more than once!
From: Mark T.
It's interesting to read reviews (like the previous one of Kansas City I just posted by Rob on AMM) by people who have never seen The Monkees in concert before.
Myself having seen them many times from 1986-1989, 1996-1997 and 2001, I pretty much know what to expect. But the fact that new people attending the shows this summer are blown away is a testament to the trio and their talent and energy. To you know where with the critics!! :)
From: MonkeesFan01
To all posters: Please only hit the 'post article' button ONCE...it is becoming quite annoying to sift through multiple posts that are identical. It also clogs the board up and makes it longer to download.
Please just hit the 'post' button ONCE!!!!! DO NOT double click on it! Just click ONCE!
From: john
I saw the KC and St Louis shows too and I agree with Mark. Excellent and improved since CT in march. Guys are very loose and enjoying themselves. Live CD is only OK. I bought it. Vocals are not balanced well.
Another complaint. The lead guitar guy plays a fender Telecaster, whick is largly a country guitar. It does not have the full sound a hollow body gibson has. The lead licks on Clarksville, Girl I knew and others do not sound right. They do not have that 60's Monkees sound. In fact, does anyone know if Nez or ANYBODY ever played a telecaster on ony Monkees records? I doubt it.
But the concert was excellent. Micky lost at least 15lbs since march. David has lost that silly mullett. He is still the showman. Looks good, sounds good. I Wanna Be free was a nice treat and very nicely arranged.
These guys still have it.
From: Monkeesrule43
There is a "Live in Las Vegas 2001" CD out at concerts for $20. Its got about 20 songs. (If you go down on the page there are more posts about the CD)
From: jbordeau@sanconwar.com
I also noticed that Micky seems reluctant to hold his high notes. I don't know if this is simply because he is singing every night and is trying to conserve his voice, or he is self concious about the quality of his high range now that he is aging. I know you Micky lovers are going to be all over me for this, but I don't remember him holding back in the 80's shows. Is he losing his high range?
Some of the best parts of PVS are when he holds those high notes. ("I need a change of scenereeeeeeeeee-eeeeeeeee-eeeeeeee.., ...here in status symbol laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-aaannnnnnnnnd...") He just didn't hold them. If he can't, thats fine, I know voices change. Maybe his lower range has gotton better, but did anyone else notice this? Check it out on the live CD.
From: suzyque
Also a fan from the git-go. I'm from Missouri. I am 44 (can't be...I wan't a recount). I enjoy coming here to get my Monkee education. I sometimes post but often don't find the time. I love all the positive comments and try to avoid the negatives. Had the time of my life at the KC concert. Would like to "Do It All Over Again"
From: Chris Coyle
Thanks Mark for reposting the track lists here. I second your complaint about including those lame solo numbers. Micky already got his song on his demo cd and Davy and Micky's live tape. I wanted "The Girl I Knew Somewhere" instead..my fave !
I'm getting tickets today for Portland 7/10. I have to wait a full month to hear the cd. If the cover looks like the one on eBay..then it's crap! I hope that is someone's home made CD-R and not the real thing. That's what it looks like, I could do better then that myself.
I told you Mark back a month ago, watch Fishof release this live CD at the shows only. He pulled the same deal back in 1987, why not do it again? I was right..... oh well..at least it's better then a $30 T-shirt..
Chris
From: Jennie
Those two topics that you mentioned were in reference to the Monkees/Bee Gees comparison...
More specifically, I had mentioned a Monkees track (way back in the Fantasy Tribute Album thread) that would be sung by the Bee Gees with Maurice on lead...to understand my reference, one would have to know what Maurice sounds like, and that's what the post was trying to establish --- a recognizable sound. And my post regarding the new album was to see if anyone (who may have the album) could see what I saw, that the Monkees could successfully do a similar album to 'This Is Where I Came In'.
My suggestion to you would be to simply avoid a post or thread that you're not interested in. I enjoy comparing the Monkees to other bands, and seeing what others have to say.
Peace.
From: suzyque
I attended the KC concert and was knocked off my feet. The last time I saw any of them perform together was at World's of Fun in '76. The professionalism of this concert far exceeded that of the '76 performance. I agree, I was extremely impressed by their energy levels. I did not see the cd for sale at this concert--did I overlook?
From: Rocker
Cheer up! Borrowing good riffs is what rock and roll is all about. All the great bands did it. Check out the guitar riff in the song "Master of Puppets" by Metallica and tell me that isn't from "Circle Sky"!
From: Mark T.
Chris...I agree with your sentiments regarding the live CD. It's ashame that Fishof lamed out and made the CD available at the shows only. I guess that pretty much seals the fate of a national release, and doesn't bode well for a new studio album. My question is this...what exactly are the Monkees getting out of this relation with Pearlman's Natural??? Seems Natural is gaining everything (whatever that may be) from this partnership while the Monkees' live CD ends up as a private label release instead of being marketed on Pearlman's TransAtlantic label.
Bottom line.....Fishof sucks. I wonder how he'll screw up Ringo's plans this year???
From: cory
I second Chris' picks. The first three he listed are together on one set (called "Complete") & are solid, innovative country-rock. "Infinite Rider" is a good pop record & features "Cruisin'", which you refer to as "Sunset Sam" (alot of people do).
From: Mark T.
I can see your point about Micky holding back ever so slightly on some songs, however look how he sings "Since I Fell"....he just bellows that song out! As for "Pleasant Valley Sunday", I believe this song has never been performed as good since the 1989 tour. On that tour, "PVS" was the opening number and Micky just quite honestly sung the hell out of it. Often times during the '89 shows, towards the end of the song when he songs "Here in status symbol land", he'd stretch out the "laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand" part over the guitar interlude AND over Peter and Davy when they started the "Another Pleasant Valley Sunday" bit. It sounded great.
Perhaps at Micky's age he fears of killing his voice and is trying to take it easy. That's a good guess. They do have a lot of shows to do this year still. I'm sure our friends in the UK want Micky to sound as good as possible too!
From: cory
I like many alternate versions ("Girl I Knew Somewhere", all versions of "Circle Sky", the longer version of "Star Collector"), but, for me, the unreleased version of "Mommy & Daddy" is the alternate version that by far exceeds the quality of the original! There is no comparison!
From: Jennie
How much are they charging for the live cd at the shows?
From: cory
Oh, of course! "Back Upon My Feet" & "Valleri" are both better in their early, slimmed down arrangements! And I love the backwards part on the early "Words"!
From: Mark T.
$20 for the Live CD.
From: cory
I prefer Pete's version of "I Don't Think..." For one thing: all 4 Monkees on vocals!
From: Matt
Rhino would probably get fiesty if the album was sold any other way, since they do not get a cut. Thats why it doesnt say Monkees on the new live CD, because Rhino owns the name.
From: cory
The best version of "I Wanna Be Free", in my opinion, is the one on "Live 1967".
From: john
I noticed in Ct that he held notes in Since I Fell, but at these last two shows he didn't. He was very stacatto. I hope he is not loosing it, because that upper range is the trademark sound of the Monkees.
From: Tyme
does anyone else notice the old posts stuck on the bottom of new ones?
Tyme
From: john
I just heard about this web site that chronicles the point at which your favorite TV show peaked as evidenced by the plot, and you knew it was all down hill from there. ( It gets its name from the Happy Days episode where Fonz jumps a shark on waterskis.)
There is a Monkees page with some very interesting opinions about when, or if they ever "jumped the shark". Many thought they never did because the show was only on for 2 seasons. Others thought the turning point was the Paris episode, or the last episode, that Micky wrote. I don't know the name of that episode, but I call it the "Zor & Zam" Episode. I don;t think they ever jumped the shark, but if I was forced to choose, I guess I would admit that the last episode was kind of lame.
What do you guys think? check it out at Jumptheskarh.com. Its funny.
From: Teresa in Texas
Hey, that answers a previous question we had on here, Cory--what song do all 4 sing on--Peter's version of "I Don't Think You Know Me." I will listen to that with a more discerning ear, now. I did make a tape with all 3 versions back to back. It's neat to hear what one person emphasizes and the other doesn't.
From: Teresa in Texas
The first contest was so much fun, I thought I'd look through my Monkees duplicates and give one away here, too. The prize is a video of "Dance Monkee Dance," and "Hitting the High Seas." It is not a Rhino video; it's one of the older ones, but plays perfectly and includes the Screen Gems logo, which the newer videos don't have. Songs included are "I'll Be Back Up On My Feet," "I'm a Believer," "Daydream Believer," and "Star Collector." I'll keep the contest open through Wednesday and notify any winner on Thursday. If more than one person wins, my kids will draw a winner's name out of a hat. Here's the questions (all based on the T.V. show):
1. What is the name of the only episode in which Davy did not appear (except in the song at the end)?
2. In "Monkees in Manhattan," the Monkees pose as millionaires in order to enter a country club. Mike is "a rancher from South Texas." What is the name of his "ranch?"
Matching In "One Man Shy," Peter falls in love with a debutante. Her jealous boyfriend tries to trip Peter up by challenging him to rich man's sports. However, the other 3 Monkees take Peter's place to help him save face. Match the Monkee with the sport he attempted:
3. Mike 4. Micky 5. Davy
a. Badminton b. Skeet Shooting c. Archery
More Matching In "Monkees Get Out More Dirt," the Monkees fall in love with April, the laundromat owner. To impress her, each of them takes up one of her favorite hobbies. Match the Monkee with April's hobby.
6. Davy 7. Peter 8. Mike 9. Micky
a. Motorcycle Riding b. Dancing c. Art d. Music
10. In "Dance Monkee Dance," which Monkee is the ONLY one who did NOT sign a lifetime contract with the dance studio?
Send your answers to me at my e-mail address: tntgibson@home.com Do not send them to this list as you might accidentally help others. On the matching questions, use the number I have above, for example, put 3. Mike a. (if you think a is the answer for that question). Any questions, please ask!!
From: Teresa in Texas
First of all, I want to say--you've probably noticed this--something weird is going on with the board. It's wrapping 2 or more posts together and one of my replies above is linked with a post from the OLD BOARD!! So confusing!!
Another alternate version to ponder--Daddy's Song, either Davy or Mike's version. I personally prefer Davy on this one because he seems to handle the time signature changes better than Mike, and the song suits him better. Mike seems out of his league on this one.
From: Mark T.
The episode was the "Frodis Caper" and it's one of my favorites!
From: Teresa in Texas
Actually, I didn't see Michael Murphey in concert--we saw him at a restaurant in Ranchos de Taos. (He lives near there). So, I just worshipped him from afar!! I don't like to bother celebrities while they're eating.
From: **Ashley**
I loved Mijacogeo (The Frodis Caper... Zor & Zam). I don't think that the Monkees ever "jumped the shark" and the Paris eppy was good cuz you could hear more songs... or maybe not... I haven't seen it in a year cuz SGN stopped airing the show.
From: cory
Yeah. What a shame we're having so much trouble working the kinks out of this board!
From: **Ashley**
Hey... don't hate on the mullet now. Because of him mullets aren't as trailor-trashy.
From: Kalikogurlfriend
Hey~ I tried replying before, but this wouldn't let me. Try the Bryce Jordan Center Website-it has directions right on it. Can't wait-!!! Kim K
From: Monkeescott
Does anyone know where I can purchase a copy of the 2001 live cd? It was not offered in Lexington, and I will not be going back this year to get one for myself. HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Scott
From: Stacey
Yes I've noticed. It's quite disturbing, isn't it? But it'll be ok. :o)
From: john
From: Stacey
Haha! That sounds like me with my friends...always trying to get them Beatles or Monkees obsessed!! Hey, I've actually gotten a few people liking them though, so persistence is the key! :)
From: john
From: Tapioca Tundra
Of course my favorite song is Tapioca Tundra. It is so cool listening to that song while having your headphones on.
From: john
From: Beth
Wow, I've gotten lots of suggestions for episodes to show them. ^_^ Maybe someday if I ever actually have money I can buy some more - I spent it all on the music box cds. Oh, well. As for my fave Monkee, I guess I'd have to go with Mike just becuase I love his music, solo and with the Monkees. It's a hard choice though. :)
From: john
From: Steph
For anyone who hasn't seen it yet, or who wants to see it again... The Monkees will be on Behind The Music at 8pm (eastern) on VH1 :)
From: john
From: Ree
Hi Teresa:
What is it with our 10 years old. My son signed out the "HELP" video from the Public Library. He has been watching it all weekend. I'm glad for one thing though, he went back listenting to the Monkee's CDs. I think he is doing comparisons.
From: john
I don't care for the song Zor & Zam although I think the lyrics are brilliant. Regarding the Paris episode, I have no complaints.
By way of trivia, isn't it true that is the only episode to use "don't call on me"? Which by the way does not fit ANY Nez molds in terms of song types. (Country, power trio, folkie,) That song is pure lounge lizard, and another reason for me to go get Pieces on disk. Does anyone know who wrote it? Was it nez?
From: Julianna Michelle
Yeah, man, I thought I was crazy... It's not cool, not cool at all. I too wish we could get all the kinks worked out of this board because this is seriously the only discussion board that I've been to that actually feels like a Monkee Family! Even though I've only been here a few days.. :)
From: monkeechic
I would like to thank anyone and everyone who posted photos from the Atlantic City concerts. I had great pictures, but someone stole my camera. Anyway, THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!! Stef
From: Julianna Michelle
Hey babe, I've appologized numerous times for some of the mulitple boards but it's totally not my fault! This board has a lot of kinks in it and I'm lucky if my messages even get sent! Half have been mysteriously deleted and don't show up...so pardon the hassle but I do my best. peace.
From: john
Dude, if I knew you wanted one I would have picked up an extra. I am sure someone at the upcoming concerts in colorado would pick one up for you. It's really nothing to kill for except to have in your collection.
From: Julianna Michelle
Wait, so does anyone know FOR SURE if Mike and Victoria Kennedy are married or if they're just dating? Because I thought they were dating but I read somwhere that they've been married since 1998...?
God is love.
From: john
Ashley, what I love about you is your complete devotion and defense of the Monkees no matter what the circumstances. However, I believe Monkeelove requires us to be constructively critical as well as supportive. Hence, I am anti-mullett on David. Actually on any man. But don't get me wrong, I respect Davy and his rendition of I Wanna Be Free, which I have always considered a lightweight, throwaway song, almost brought tears to my eyes on Saturday nite. Someone has worked up a beautiful arrangment for him.
Monkeelove!
From: Chris Coyle
Ok after a day of some great posts..I come back to a board that is completely screwed up. Brad what is wrong now ?
I'm going back to listen to my Yellow Balloon CD..see ya later
Chris
From: **Ashley**
Mike wrote Don't Call On Me with John London. I personally love that song even tho it's not a typical Nez tune.
From: cr
Does anyone know how Peter, Davy, Micky are currently getting along on tour. Being that the tour is about midpoint.
From: **Ashley**
Micky sounded great at the Merrillville concert and I'm sure he'll sound just as good in Sterling Heights. I think it's just age ya know... his voice getting deeper. But I also agree that it's probably him conserving his voice too.
From: Mark T.
What is the meaning of these posts below:
From: Julianna Michelle
Comments
You're nosy, babe! :)
(then we get this):
to Julianna
From: Stacey
Comments Ok, for reals...is that Amanda? (by the way, if you're not Amanda and you have no freaking idea who I am or why I'm acusing you of being my best friend, I'm very sorry!)
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I now believe it is time for Brad to lay down ground rules for this board. The childish and non-sensical posts that have invaded the Monkees Discussion Board here at monkees.net have become overwhelming. It's bad enough that the board is experiencing technical difficulties, but the rest of us have to put up with the above and other bull**** posts that have become commonplace around here as of late in the meantime.
Being here as a serious participant since Day One, I refuse to stand by silently and watch this place go to pot. This discussion board is the ONLY, the ONLY site on the internet that hosts respectable and intelligent conversations related to the Monkees. All of the other fan sites have bull**** discussion boards, AMM is a complete mess at times and the AOL Monkees board is completely empty, from what I have been told.
So to all that think the Monkees are still 20 years old living on Beachwood Drive in California, GROW UP! It's a fantasy...it's television for pete's sake!! The Monkees are no longer 20 something year olds, and some of you call them sexy! Are you in love with the image of the TV show? Because if you are, I have to inform you of one thing....the Monkees have been off national television for over 30, yes, 30 years!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wake up!!!!!!!
The cartoonish posts about the Monkees have only led to the Monkees' lack of credibility over the years. Cartoonish thoughts and beliefs just feeds the negative image of the Monkees. As far as I'm concerned, anyone posting these stupid, childish posts about 'TeleMonkees', dork sticks or whatever, you are not real Monkees fans because you don't take the band seriously. You simply play along with the detractors of the band and let it slide. Shame on you.
I better stop my rant here (but I could go on), but if Brad is reading, I hope he seriously considers laying down ground rules on this board to avoid the inane discussion that has polluted this place as of late. The Monkees Discussion Board now needs full-time monitoring to avoid the whole community going down the tubes as all of the many other Monkees discussions boards have done elsewhere on the internet.
From: **Ashley**
Yeah I know... but I guess I love the Monkees so much that they'd look good in mullets! I wish Davy woulda sang I Wanna Be Free in Merrillville. Maybe he will in Sterling Heights. Oh since this is a new board - is anyone else going to that concert?
From: Mark T.
CR: from what we understand, it appears the trio is getting along well.
I was backstage in March and Micky said that they were getting along EXTREMELY well, and he emphasized it greatly.
From: **Ashley**
Is it just the songs or do they talk on the CD like they did at the concerts?
From: Stacey
Does anyone know what the Justus song "Admiral Mike" is about, cause I'd really like to know! Thanks! :)
From: suzannetigger
monkeescott, if you want I'll pick you up a cd at the July 1st show and mail it to you. Let me know if you want me to do this for yu
Sue
From: CR
I heard the same thing back when they did the spring tour and that's probably why they extended it to the summer. I was just wondering if anything has changed because I know they were possibly going to the west coast in August.
From: suzannetigger
wait a sec Mark you lost me. what exactly are Ringo's plans and how is he connected to Fishoff and the Naturals?
From: Tyme
I love the fast version of "I wanna Be free" it's so up tempo and peppy. It's much better than the ballad version I think, and, it's a great way to take yer mind off rush hour traffic on a hot friday afternoon :)
Tyme
From: suzannetigger
I'll be happy to pick up a cd for you in PA on the 1st if you want me too.
Sue
From: Tammy
Hi! I saw them at TurningStone casino in March too. We were planning to go to the Pa show this week also but now it doesn't look like we will be able to. Gleeb, Tammy
From: suzannetigger
that is a good website. I voted on that one that they never jumped the shark but I never went back to see if they posted any of my comments or not
From: Dan Lafferty
Thank you!!!! I'd been hoping they'd show it again soon!!!!!
From: **Ashley**
Does anyone know if the rumors about the Monkees (or whoever) selling a video from one of the concerts on this tour?
From: **Ashley**
I heard both things too. I hope they're just dating cuz then if I ever get the chance to break them up I wouldn't feel so bad! LoL But if they are married... well I'm only 16 so it's not like I had that big of a chance right?
Peace n Gleeb n Dork Sticks... 3 days!
From: suzannetigger
I know I'm looking forward to getting that CD because of Peter's Lucille on it. also what if it's the very last new cd they put out? thats especially why I want it.
From: Mark T.
Great question, Stacey. As far as I remember, the song "Admiral Mike" is about a real life admiral in the navy who was falsely accused of wrongdoing by the media, and because of all of the false reports ruining his reputation, career and family life, he ended up committing suicide.
I forget the name of the admiral that Nez was writing about. I remember reading about it in '96, though.
I think the line from the song goes like this..."you're selling ads, you stupid twit", which refers to the media making up stories to sell papers. Lines like "Realities are crushed beneath the ads your copy sells", "There is no truth you cannot maim" also refer to the irresponsiblity of the media.
Finally, the line "He killed himself, you killed him first" speaks of the admiral in question, saying that the onslaught of the media caused the admiral to kill himself.
From: Tyme
where do we email our answers?
Tyme
From: John
Something very wierd is going on with this board. Not only are random old posts showing up stuck to the bottom of new ones, but my message chain is showing that I have read posts (highlighted) that I have never clicked on. Is anyone else having this problem?
From: M.J.
Hey! Does anybody know if Natural is still performing in the MIDDLE of the show - or are they an OPENING act? (Just curious - I missed the beginning of the Merrilville show because of that arrangement.)
From: Dan Lafferty
Yeah, I know. I was being overly dramatic. Take the Rare Breed's "Beg, Borrow, and Steal". Brilliant use of the "Louie, Louie" riff.
From: Chris Coyle
I love Don't Call On Me. The close vocal is quit impressive, love the major 7th chords. The early demo of that song is in a folk music arrangment.
You're right, The Monkees In Paris is the only episode the song is featured. That episode is like a 30m commercial for the Pisces album.
Chris
From: Kris
Thanks - I'll have to remember that next time. Davy was out on stage when Peter and Micky came around - no clue why Davy did not. Disappointing since he is my fav. Sounds like he came around on the other end of the stage. My friends and I were in the front row directly in front of Micky! Peter was so crazy - definitely having a good time. It was great to see them again and I hope they come around to Milwaukee soon!
Kris
From: susannetigger
lol good question Tyme!
From: shotgun
It's amazing to me the way monkees fans are so offended by Nez's 'lack of loyalty' to the monkees. Why should he, or any one of them, be loyal? They did not create nor do any of them have any emotional investment the monkees, but will in fact eternally be the fall guys for the mistakes and deceit of those who did. They don't even get a competitive amount of the royalties for the shows and music...and that's because very little of it belongs to them. The amount of monkees' music that represent any one of them individually, lyrically or even in terms of musical arrangement, is minimal. Remembering Mike's comments in regard to his leaving the tour in '97 (which I do agree was unprofessional) and his refusal to tour w/ the monkees, I think this is part of the reason. There is no creative return for him. There is no artistic progression for the monkees. At this point they serve primarily as a nostalga act. In fact, this is the reason Peter left back in '69. He realized that even though they were at a point where they could be a real band and create new music, it wasn't going to happen...so he left so that he could at least create music on his own. Even Davy has expressed frustration in the fact that there is no demand for anything new from the monkees; the fans have decided who the monkees are and refuse to allow them to grow into anything else. I myself have no interest in seeing the monkees on broadway, a prospect that Davy has repeatedly hinted at over the years.
Just a side note, I think the other reason Mike keeps refusing is he doesn't like touring. He never did. He expressed in a 2000 (I think) interview w/ the BBC that he was not planning on touring again, and that was in reference to his own music. And I would like to add that Mike had a backing band on his own solo tours, so I doubt this had anything to do with his decision to not join the monkees.
I don't know how Peter feels, but both Davy and Micky have made it clear that they consider the monkees to be an act re-creating the characters and atmosphere of their TV show rather than a musical group. It doesn't seem to me that the monkees are first priority for any of them. I doubt that when Peter cancelled the remaining dates of his Shoe Suede Blues tour to join the monkees tour that he did it out of a preference for the monkees over his own music...he did it because he knew it was a guaranteed financial return. Fortunately for him, Nez doesn't need the money and considers his many business and artistic ventures of a higher priority. The times that he did join the monkees tour he did so because he thought it would be fun, he quit in '97 because it stopped being fun. Incidently according to Micky that tour was not enjoyable for any of them not only because of conflicts between them but also because that tour was put together by outside promoters (they extended a personal invitation to each of the guys separately) who were looking to make themselves some money and ended up ripping the guys off. Please don't take this the wrong way, I know the other guys (as far as I know) are not hard up for cash. But none of them are at Mike's economic level and the kind of financial return produced by these monkees reunion tours is hard to turn down.
And as to the Liquid Paper comment, they have always made jokes at each others' expense even when all 4 are present. They know that Mike's current wealth, though initiated by his inheritance, is due to the many investments he's made and companies he's founded and artistic ventures (not to mention the pretty penny he won in the whole PBS video cataloging case).
I'm just bothered by all the hating and bad wishing on Mike. I have a lot of respect for him because of his refusal to compromise himself, despite the possibility of alienating some monkees fans and former nezheads. I wish I had the strength to speak my mind and do what I want regardless of what people say or thing. I think that's why he didn't go through monkees withdrawal the way Davy did. He went bankrupt buying himself out of the monkees contract, and he didn't get that Liquid Paper money until about 10 years later. But his sanity was held in tact by the self-respect generated by him doing what he wanted to do rather than doing what everybody else thought he should do. He had no regrets in terms of the problems he faced and the way he handled them because he always followed his own mind. I think Davy got lost after the monkees ended because he had spent those 2+ years comprising himself to make everybody else happy, and by the time all those people deserted him he couldn't remember who he was before the monkees...he had been wearing the mask for too long (the typical teen idol syndrome). As for Micky, I think his whole party phase stems from his inability to get the work he wanted. He was seen at auditions then as a rock & roller trying to be an actor, when in fact he's always been an actor who had a stint as a rock & roller. By the way, I remember somebody on this board making a comment about Micky's voice being one of the most underrated in rock & roll and I would love to whole heartedly agree. There are few who have been able to project the energy and emotion he can in his vocals. Unfortunately, the monkees stigma veils the powers that be from recognizing this.
Okay, I'm getting off the soapbox now. I apologize if this is deemed inappropriate or too long for this board but it seemed like the perfect place to express my opinions on the subject.
From: Chris Coyle
I think his holding back the high notes has to do with coming with age. I think Micky still has a fine voice. I did notice he was screaming more then he use to on the Spring tour. I hated it when he held back the long notes on PVS.
His low range was perfect on "Never Enough" off of "Justus" . I can't say enough good things about his vocal performance on that song. Much like Mike's vocal on "Don't Call On Me", Micky's vocals are quite differnt then he's use to pulling out of himself.
Chris
From: Bluerose
Okay, I went to the concert, saw the CD, didn't have enough money with me at the time. Now how do I get the CD? Please email me at Bluerose@rnworks.com
From: Monkeescott
Thank you so very much sue, I will be very grateful. Tell me how much, and i will send you the monee. My friend is going to a concert this Sunday, if they don't have them there, i will post and let you know. I feel the same way as you do that this could be there last cd...gotta have it!!!!!!!!!!!thanx again! Scott
From: **Ashley**
I'm so confused! Which version of Mommy and Daddy is the alternate version? The one about the Indians living where theres too much snow/sun or the one where "it was my blood spilling on the kitchen floor, if it was my blood mommy would you care a little more?"????
Peace n Gleeb
From: suzyque
They performed as the opening act in Kansas City.
From: shotgun
The tag of the 'Monkees on the Wheel' episode features outtakes from the 'Monkees Monstrous Mash' episode. It is here that Micky reads the button he wears which says, "Love is the Ultimate Trip". This scene was not used in the broadcast of 'Monkees Monstrous Mash' though.
I have all the episodes and I don't remember this phrase ever being repeated by anybody anywhere else.
From: Mary
Suzanne,
I'm in Florida and won't have any opportunity to get a live CD. Can I send you the money up front by July 1st and would you be willing to pick one up for me??
Thanks, Mary mkbrant22@aol.com
From: wendy
is anyone going to a concert that could pick up the live cd for me? i saw them in alb. new mexico and they didnt have the cd yet.i would greatly appreciate it. email me at wendythe1@aol.com
From: Steph
Hi All! First off, I dig the new board! My eyes don't go all funky when I'm scrolling now :)
Ok, I was just cruising in my car returning from returning a couple of videos, and what to my wondering ears did appear? But 2 funky Monkees and yes, Davy dear. (man that was corny,huh?) No, it wasn't PVS or even Last Train...it was some stage banter, teasing my brain.
Ok, Dr. Suess has left the building (I think). I was scanning the radio stations and the classic rock station used a clip of the guys (from the first leg of the tour) saying "hi...good evening..etc." stage greeting stuff! It was to introduce the "Zep Set" on the same radio station that sponsored the show at Oakdale in March. I love picking up on stuff like that - I love it when the "modern rock" station here uses clips from Danny Kaye movies and I can tell exactly which movie it's from. :) I am easily entertained.
:) Steph
From: Estrella
The one about blood kitchen spilling on the kitchen floor is the alternate version, and the other one is the originally released version.
Sometimes the alternate is called the original version because it was originally recorded first, but most of the time people use the labels that I've used above.
From: Ree
Hi Mark!
The Monkees Live CD '01, is this an actual CD that is going to be released or a bootleg?
From: Karen
Hi,
On which album in Mike's version of 'The Girl I Knew Somewhere' please?
Thanks
From: Dan Lafferty
I'll be at the Sterling Heights show!
Dan
From: Teresa in Texas
Aren't kids just the greatest? They play stuff over and over until they decide if they like it or not. My 13 year old son played "Listen to the Band" the other day and said, "you know, I think I like this song. I think it's because YOU PLAY IT ALL THE TIME!" (meaning me). So, I guess I'm just like my kids.
From: Micky's Monkee
It was awesome. Now I want to go to the one in North Platte. I wish they played more songs together but Davy was great on his own. In North Platte I hear they are having an autograph signing! Well, the concert was great. I'm still living it over and I'm watching my Monkee tapes over and over. My favorite episode is teh one in the desert, one of their first ones! :)
BTW...Any Nebraskans? LOL
From: Chris Coyle
Shotgun,
I want to express my sincere thanks for such a wonderful, and sure to be for many, a thought provoking post. This is the kind of post that makes this board stand above all other Monkee forums on the Internet, hint hint folks…
You put into words what I’ve been saying all along regarding Mike’s refusal to tour (which btw, this is nothing new, nothing has changed since 1986).
The Monkees do not exist as a creative group. They are a cast of a television show reviving the music that was recorded and performed for that show, nothing more and nothing less. There is no creative force in this act to keep it contemporary or relative for todays pop culture. Call it nostalgia if you want, though I don’t believe young people of today can be nostalgic over a group that was originally popular 30+ years ago. For original fans, it’s nostalgia for fans of the 1970’s and 80’s it’s nostalgia. For younger fans, it’s all new to them. Does that mean it’s contemporary or relative? Not when you have no creative force driving the group. The Monkees have no songwriters, no producers, no new label support or financial means to continue as if this is not a cast reviving the music that once was a creative force in pop music.
For Michael Nesmith, there is no creative return anymore for a group that only existed on television in the first place. The creative outlets that was provided by the success of the show is what drove these 4 guys to become a real band and milk it for all it was worth, it didn’t last long. Let’s say that reason stems from the fact THERE WAS NOT ONE CREATIVE GOAL OR FORCE AFTER THE SHOW ENDED THAT WAS LEADING THIS GROUP OF ACTOR/MUSICIANS. There were TOO MANY egos that suppressed the talent to seed.
I also would like to say, I respect an artist like Nesmith who sticks to their guns, and has all through his career demonstrated that he is not afraid to go against popular desire and taste to be the lone man out. This is a true artist regardless of what you might think of the man’s ego or beliefs.
Chris
From: Rita
Natural performed in the middle of the show in St. Louis. Something was said about their equipment not arriving in time for the show, so they just sat and sang a couple of songs. It was really quite awkward actually.
From: Chris Coyle
Mark,
You sure no how to take the bull by the horns.
I just want to point out that the main point Mark is stressing here is that this forum just happens to be on the most visited Monkees site on the Internet. Monkees.net alone is like the only relative place, though it may be in cyber space, that exists to promote The Monkees fans , history, and future. Many media outlets have access it for information. Do we want to continue giving everyone else out there who still do not respect The Monkees, a reason STILL NOT TO RESECT? How are we ever going to be taken seriously as a pop culture that really matter for something if we continue to act in a way they so believe Monkee fans act? I know I take being a Monkees fan very seriously and have grown to accept the fact others might think my likes are on the fringe and not of today’s taste. I never let that stop me from enjoying what I believe to be a vital and real sense of freedom and joy. Please let’s show these non-believers that we are not cartoons and that The Monkees music or comedy was a real part of a culture that was enjoyed by millions of people and was from the heart rather then from a cynic’s pen.
Peace
Chris
From: Another defender of Davy's mullet
I think you're going a little overboard, Ashley...although I am ROFLMAO!!! I would say Davy's was more of a "Mullet Lite" than a trailer-trash mullet anyway :) But I'm still glad he did away with it. He seems to be a few years behind (hair-wise) for I don't know how long. But don't get me wrong! I'd like him if he was bald like Micky or all messy and sticky-uppy like Peter.
Oh no...here come the Micky and Peter defenders...
Monkeelove & Frodis to all ;) ~Andrea
From: Monkeescott
Just a quick note to say thank yu for the great posts about my grandson, Dylan. Wanted to let everyone know that he has fully recovered and at home with his Dad and Mom!!! God is good!!! Thanx again!!...Scott
From: Andrea
See? There's another reason for him to dump Since I Fell. It's getting old and overdone, Mick. Try something else on for size. And give us our laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnd back! :) I love Micky's voice. I hope he does whatever he can to save it-Davy's has definitely changed over the years, probably cuz of the cigarettes.
Monkeehappiness to all, ~Andrea
From: Rocker
The Monkees show was possibly the hippest thing ever to hit the airwaves, at least on network TV in my opinion. Remember the episode where they had Frank Zappa on at the end? Mike Nesmith and Frank Zappa pretending to be each other is cool on so many levels. Not to mention hilarious. Just in case anyone was wondering, the song excerpt they played at the end was "Mother People" from the Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention album We're Only in it for the Money. I picked that CD up recently and it's brilliantly creative, just like the Monkees TV show. I just wanted to share that because that's what got me interested in Zappa.
From: Mark T.
Ree, this is an actual CD mixed by Jerry Renino! It's totally legit! :)
From: Cheryl
For those who are wanting to purchase the live cd and are unable to make it to the concert. You can email me at cknuth1@hotmail.com and I can go get it for you.
From: Mark T.
Sue, Fishof is also the manager for Ringo Starr, who is going out on the road this summer with his All-Starr Band. Fishof has been putting on those Ringo tours for some time now.
Fishof doesn't have anything to do with Natural. Natural is under the helm of Lou Pearlman (who assembled NSync and The Backstreet Boys). The original deal was in exchange for Natural performing on the Monkees' tour, the Monkees would be able to release a live CD and DVD on Pearlman's TransAtlantic label. So far, Natural has gotten the slot on the tour while the Monkees have gotten nothing.
From: Cheryl
For those who are wanting to purchase the live cd and are unable to make it to the concert. You can email me at cknuth1@hotmail.com and I can go get it for you.
From: Mark T.
Bottom line for me, Micky Dolenz is one of the most underrated American pop/rock singers of our time. I think his voice is unique and classic. If I could have two artists duet on one kick ass song, I'd choose Dolenz and Paul McCartney, who is probably the greatest pop/rock singer of our time.
From: Em
Just wondering...how much is the cd?
From: Mark T.
Agreed on "Don't Call on Me", a great Nesmith tune that makes me ask myself everytime I hear it..."Why didn't Mike sing more than Davy?"
I wish they had left off the "lounge" effects on the beginning intro of the song. It slightly cheapens it, but the vocal and atmosphere of the song easily overrides that minor glitch.
Does anyone know if this is Micky drumming on "Don't Call on Me"? On the Pisces album he supposedly played drums on two songs, one of which was definitely "Cuddly Toy". It's my opinion as well that it's Micky drumming on the PISCES version of "She Hangs Out" as well, though I don't believe there is official documentation of that. It sounds like his drumming to me. He might have played on "Don't Call On Me" too. (On a side note, does anyone know exactly what songs Micky played guitar on the PISCES album? I don't have my box sets close to check the liner notes.)
From: Dan Lafferty
Very glad to hear it. Best wishes.
From: Mark T.
John, did you happen to attend the '87 concert tour? "Zor and Zam" was fantastically done by Micky that year, and might have brought you around to the song after hearing him do it live.
From: Rob McCabe
That was a great post. I agree wholeheartedly. Nez should be respected for *not* doing the Monkees "oldies act" thing.
Rob
From: Mark T.
Ashley, at this point it is rumored that a video/DVD release of the current concert may happen. Now that the Live CD is being sold at the shows, this looks like a better possibility. We'll see what happens.
From: MonkEShyn
This is fun! On their web site AND watching them too. :) :) Is there never enough? I think the best part for me is that at the end, it says something about "their touring ever again is questionable" is fun. I can scream at the TV "Yes they are!" But do they mean all 4 guys??? Just wondering......
From: Bootsie
Me! My girlfriends and I were at the Lincoln show, as well as the KC show the night before! What a way to spend a weekend! Two shows in two night... it still doesn't seem real! We were considering going to North Platte also, but our job obligations are going to keep us from it.
From: Mark T.
Shotgun, though I may not agree with all of your points, I thorougly enjoyed reading your thoughtful post. Please post more often.
From: Mark T.
By reading some of these posts, it seems that there are people going to multiple shows on this tour. I am convinced that there is a legitimate interest in the Monkees right now. Sure, they are not going to fill a hockey arena like they did in 1986 and '87, but nonetheless, attendance reports so far from several posters have said that the shows were sold out or near sell outs. The winter tour earlier this year was a sell out.
It's a good sign for the Monkees. It's also great to see after the lukewarm tour that was '97. Good for them! I hope this encourages them to go back in the studio one last time to make that perfect pop album we know is in them.
From: Stacey
You were at the Alb. NM show too? Hey so were me and "Juliana"! :) We were totally the rowdy crew! Where's about were you sitting?
And yah that totally sucks that the live cd wasn't done by the time they got to our show! I want the live cd very very much!!
From:
Thanks... Looks like I might miss out on the Chicago show, but at least the set list isn't much different.
From: Cindy
This may post under the wrong place, but Cheryl, I am interested in getting a CD if you are volunteering. I emailed you today.
Thankx.
From: M.J.
I forgot to put my name on that last one!
From: suzyque
You are not alone. I don't know if I can keep up with this HA
From: Chris Coyle
Mark,
I dont think the Winter tour was a complete sell out. Maggie said most shows were sold out or NEAR sold out. I know Lowell was not sold out. I remember other posts and reviews stating there were also empty seats at other shows.
The shows are doing good business, but they are still on a small scale compared to the U2 show you just attended. 20,000 people, that's business!
Some of these upcoming Monkees shows are booked for a few 5000 seater venues. Most are still in the 2000 range. It looks like The Monkees are saturating the New England area. It will be interesting to see if they do sell the 5000 tix for the NH Gilford show. I'm feeling good that they are on an up swing, so hoping they do.
Chris
From: Tyme
Well put chris.
From: **Ashley**
The email address is at the bottom of her post.
From: Tammy
I am. Gleeb, Tammy
From: Teresa in Texas
Ya know, if Paul and Micky did a duet, Micky would REALLY upstage Paul. Because Micky can stay on pitch MUCH better than Paul.
From:
The cd is twenty dollars. And I would have to check on the postage to mail it. It's actually quite good.
From: Teresa in Texas
Sorry, y'all, but I thought my e-mail was at the bottom: tntgibson@home.com
From: Steph
That certainly was a thought provoking post. The staunch support for Nez I have read since first visiting this board moved me to take another look at his talents. I have yet to delve into the plethora of solo music available at his site, but from the clips I heard - I wasn't all that moved. I think I will have to purchase a cd in it's entirety to get the full effect (suggestions... Chris?)
I have found myself listening to his Monkees era music more often, and I must say I am always struck by the creativity in Nez's songs, as well as the effect the songs have on me (including one's that he didn't write). I even found myself singing Some of Shelley's Blues the other day. I love his version of Saginaw(I know he didn't write it), and I really really love Different Drum. I think Nez has a wellspring of talent beyond the pop hits that (when my wallet recovers from this summer) I will really have to explore. This past weekend I did come across Tape Heads at SuperK and snatched it up. I thought it was a great movie, and it was really quite entertaining (and I think John Cusak is funny anyway). I just won Television Parts on ebay, and I'm looking forward to that too.
Please forgive me if this seemed a little disjointed (or misspelled). I'm really beat, but I wanted to put my 2cents in and say that I'm grateful for the intelligent and insightful comments posted about Michael Nesmith.
Thanks and Good Nite :) ~~Steph
From: Teresa inTexas
From: Deborah in Clearwater
This board is screwed up for all that are wondering. I would just like to comment that posting twice is only happening not because we are punching the button twice but because the web is so busy it doesn't want to go through and when you try it again it goes through twice. Sorry about the double posting. Also congrats Monkeescott on your grandson I'm glad he is coming home. And shot gun that was a great post about nez you are very acurate about everything you said. Peace and Gleeb, Deborah
From: Jennie
You have all the luck! Sometimes I'll sit there and listen to that station for hours and never hear the Monkees! The only time they ever made me happy was when I won tickets to the Oakdale show (although it was quite humiliating, because I had to make Monkee noises on the radio...)
Did you happen to hear all their negative comments the morning after the Oakdale concert? Beth went on and on (and on) about how WEIRD Peter is, and how she never wants to be near him again...That really made me angry.
From: Estrella
Thanks, shotgun, that was a well thought out post. As a Nezhead, I don't think Nez is a deity or a saint (neither are the others); thanks for bringing the image of Nez back to Earth, instead of Hell or Heaven.
From: Teresa in Texas
Sorry about the double posts; accidentally hit enter instead of delete. Anyway, what I wanted to say is that I've heard lots of Monkee tunes in the stores where I've been shopping. The original songs, not just some stupid orchestra version. I was in Mervyn's, checking out one day and I heard "I'm a Believer." My daughter and I were singing along and I got out my Monkee checkbook cover and made them dance. Well, you'll do anything to keep from being bored in line. I "almost" asked the young clerk if he knew who was singing, but I restrained myself. A couple of weeks later, I was in Garden Ridge, looking at some portraits and trying to make a decision when I heard "Steppin' Stone." The lady helping me was trying to get me to hurry up and decide, but I wanted to stop and bop along. Well, I had to restrain myself and get back to the task at hand. It's hard not to sing along with the Monkees!
From: Linda R.
You're absolutley right shotgun. I don't blame Mike one bit for not joining the reunion or any of that. And I wouldn't blame any of the other guys either. Mike's busy, he's the chairman of numerous boards, he's working on his next novel, he's trying to run Videoranch, he has the record company, and a lot of other things we don't know about, and the Monkees are over. I mean, Peter, Davy, and Micky as men, just making music may not be over, but the phenomena of it isn't there and Mike doesn't have to be either. He put his two bit in and it was an amazing two bit at that! No one would question him if the other 3 weren't into it either. But then...would they be bombarded with "when are you guys gonna get back together?!" like so many other bands of their era are, like the Beatles. I think a great song to convey this point is Micky's "It's My Life".
They're all amazing and great but I think they are trying to salvage something that's not there and rekindle the magic a bit. Most of Davy's songs are still about "I love you la la la, we will be together forever...." which was alright for 20 year old Davy, but after 2 failed marriages I think he should dig in a bit deeper at least. Peter, I think, is just up there to have fun and for the music...not the "I love you" crap, but the notes and the rythym and the beat and the melody and the harmony and the feel of it all. Davy's just too much of a "teen idol" for my liking. I'm not too sure about Micky. He has definitely gotten off the mushy fantasies, but he was never really on them in the first place, and he's always been about maturing as an artist. In my mind Mike's where he wants to be and that's where he should be. We're not him and we have no right to say what is or isn't good for him (a bit contradictive on my part, I admit.)
As far as how the younger generation shouldn't feel nostalgia for what the Monkees were in the 60's, I think they do and I think we owe it to them to respect that. All the screaming fans of the 60's were there and could transfer their energy to that, but today's generation has to be in their room, trying to imagine what it even felt like to be one of those hysteric fans! It's not their fault they were born when they were, and I bet if we gave them a chance, they'd be out of here in a second! I know my daughters would! And I think they have that right. It's easy for us to act "all grown up" because we were kids when Mike and Peter were, and we got older as they got older, and experienced life, but can you imagine being a 14 year old girl avid about everything we stood for in the 60's, and not being able to voice it, or not being heard because the ridicule of all her classmates covers peace up with all their so called "angst"? Maybe kids today have angst because we discourage today what we wanted back then because "it's the past now, we should move on, and it didn't work anyway"! I think a child with peace in their heart, no matter if they get twitterpated when they hear Mike's voice or hear Micky scream in a song, is on the right track. They're not living in the past because they're stuck there, it's just that today hasn't caught up to speed yet. Don't discourage the kids if they want to think Peter's sexy! Because that's not all their thinking about, they're also thinking of Micky's message "love is the ultimate trip" and Peter's "God is love" and "Don't quite just before the miracle." Aren't those all great messages, even in today? And my daughters are far from flaky! My oldest graduated as valedvictorian of her class and she still lives by the notion that "Love is the ultimate trip!" What a great mentality! Not to mention most of the older fans today just want the Monkees to play "Last Train to Clarkesville" and "The Monkees Theme Song", when the teens in the crowd are aching for "Magnolia Simms", "Can you Dig It?", and "Goin' Down", which they know all the words to. (I don't even know all the words to that one! My daughters knew them by heart a week after they got their hands on the song!) Anyway, I'm sorry to have gotten carried away like that. Love one another, live in peace! Linda R.
P.S. I know that I haven't posted in a really long time, but I think that a lot of people are getting worked up about this board over nothing. So you think we should limit this to "Original Fans" or something? Just because some people know how to joke around doesn't mean they don't have respect for the Monkees. But then again I suppose most people can't possibly respect them and understand them the way others can! I happen to think the "blue tork sticks" or whatever they were called is a good idea! Don't let it get you down honey! Peace
From: Jennie
Another thing to consider about Lowell was the weather. I barely made it to the show in one piece because of the blizzard. It took me three hours to get to Lowell (compared to less than 1 hour to get home the next day, because the storm had passed). That probably prevented a lot of people from coming. The highways were terrible.
The Oakdale concert (the day after Lowell) was full.
From: Julianna Michelle
It's in my dreams every night, too babe! "Time is a cruel cruel joke!" :o) Dreams is the key word though, I really want Mike to be happy and not alone...even if he's not with me.
From: Mark T.
Chris, You're right about Maggie saying the shows were sell outs OR near sell outs. I forgot the 'near' part!
But I thought that when that winter tour started that the crowds would be very poor, seeing as there is nothing out there pushing the Monkees along. But I was wrong, so in turn I was completely surprised and pleased.
I guess the Behind the Music/E!/VH1 movie helped things out quite a bit.
From: Julianna Michelle
Linda, you are my angel! I couldn't have said it better! I whole heartedly agree with you; I mean, give us 30 more years and we'll be caught up as well. Just because you're young doesn't mean you don't have respect for the Monkees or take them seriously, or that you're a flake, or just another hormone-driven teen. I mean I'm 2nd in my class, so I'm not an idiot or anything. I know the difference between wanting to be held my 21 year old Mike and simply having 59 year old Mike say "Well, bless your little heart!" (Which he has said before!) And I also know the difference between those two and Mike being "over the hill" with 2 divorces, 4 children and 30 some odd years of music and buisness under his belt.
I also agree with you that Mike shouldn't be anywhere he doesn't want to be. If touring isn't his bag, then no one should be bitter that. Just because they bought some of his music or literature doesn't mean they own him or that he owes them anything else! If Micky, Peter, and Davy dig that, than more power to them! Music is good for the soul even if it is just the Theme song! There is such a thing as being taken TOO seriously. Like thinking you know them because you think you know what one of their songs meant to them at that point in their life, or looking for meaning in words and actions that have none. Dispite all the Monkee hoopla they do have their own private lives and they can remember when they were 5 years old and not "Hooray for Davy! He's touring again!" Thanks again Linda! God is love! :o)
From: john
I think I saw them in 86 and 87 but I don't remember that one being done.
From: Chris Coyle
Steph,
If Mike is still selling "Older Stuff" and "Newer Stuff" at Videoranch, I would start with those 2 cds. They will give you a complete overview of his country rock (older stuff) and newer pop (newer stuff) material. I would also pick up a video of "Elephant Parts".
happy listening
Chris
From: Mark T.
For those who haven't seen the Monkees' Concert Tour Set List Page, check it out....once again newly updated as of 6/1/01!!!
http://monkees.net/docs/setlist.htm
From: Mark T.
In response to Linda, I am afraid to inform you that you are wrong about what I originally posted as to the condition of this board. I never said to limit this board to "original fans." Are you all reading my posts completely? I simply called for ground rules to facilitate serious discussion about the Monkees as a band, television show, touring group, etc. etc., without all of the unnecessary posts that add nothing to the discussion, like 'TeleMonkees', the fact that dork sticks were showing up in every post somehow or the Monkees being accompanied by dancing chimps while singing "Midnight Train".
You say, Linda, that these people are fans but just deal with their fandom in different ways. Well, again, I disagree. They are not fans. They are fly-by-nighters who are here for the summer tour ride and once it's over, as too will their fandom be over. And if you want proof, take names down of all the people posting non-sensical posts, and come back here in six months and tell me if they are still here actively participating in the community. They won't be, Linda, and I'd bet the house on it. We saw it in '96 and '97, or even in pre-internet times in '86 and '87, and we'll see it again in '01. Perhaps everyone should delve into the difference between a true 'fan' of the Monkees as opposed to those who are obsessed with an image that hasn't existed in 30 years, who only are obsessing over that image of long ago and nothing else of validity. A 'fan' is a serious follower of the band in question. Someone obsessed is a teenybopper whose flavor changes weekly or monthly when the 'next best thing' comes around.
As for getting worked up over this discussion board, I and any other posters here have a right to be disappointed when the board is invaded with cartoonish discussions. Ya see, we've searched and searched the internet for a decent place to discuss this band, and we found one here in February when Brad opened the board up to the public. We've also seen the very same fly-by-nighters I just spoke of come in to those other boards and take them over, talking about anything and everything except the topic at hand---the Monkees. (Or instead talking about the Monkees as sex symbols, whether they wear boxers or briefs, and other inane, childish posts.)
If you are not worked up about it, Linda, perhaps it is because you are not always actively participating in the board discussion. I rarely see you post here, so until you are a more active participant, sit back and let the rest of us who are actively facilitating a respectable discussion board to try and work the problem out.
From: john
There is the standard intro comments and jokes to some of the songs.
From: I'm back!!!
I'm finally back! For the past few weeks, monkees.net hasn't been working for me. Today, it finally started to work again!!! I have so much stuff to read. I'm so glad to be back. I really missed the board, while monkees.net wasn't working. Erica
From: John
I would guess these two sgows I attended ere at least 90% full.
From: saturday's child
Hi all,
Just wanted to let you know that I just spotted an eBay auction for 2 tickets to the State College PA show this Sunday. They are very good seats won on a radio show. The auction number is 1441629527 and there were no bids yet. The opening bid is $25 for both tickets.
I have absolutely nothing to do with this auction, I just happened to see it and I thought it was a terrific deal for someone in that area. I know the fans on this site would appreciate it.
Have a great day!
From: Rocker
Just wanted to say that the Monkees TV show was one of the funniest things on TV. It had great music too. People should also realize that Mike Nesmith wrote a lot of great tunes for them and also played a mean guitar. Best Monkee tunes: 1. "Look Out" 2. "I'm a Believer" 3. "The Girl That I Knew Somewhere" 4. "Last Train to Clarksville" 5. "Valleri" 6. "Star Collector" 7. "Words" 8. "Saturday's Child" 9. "Steppin' Stone" 10. "I Wanna Be Free" There are many others, but these are the first that come to mind.
By the way, if you want to hear something crazy check out the death metal version of Steppin' Stone from Six Feet Under!
From: Teresa in Texas
I've enjoyed reading this board every day since it began in February. We're going on vacation in a few days (to New Mexico!), so keep it up and I'll read it all when I get back. I also have another video that I'm going to give away. Let me know if you think I shouldn't do that any more. Lately, I've been afraid to say anything--might get taken the wrong way, or maybe I'm not academic enough. I was a valedictorian, too! But, I'm a fan, too, in many ways. I can scream, but I can also find nuances and differences in their music. I want to be a serious fan, but I also want the fun, too. I hope this makes sense. Be back soon!
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From: cory
Wow, Shotgun, where did you come from? I don't recall noticing your posts before & then THIS! All I can say is, "Here! Here!" - I agree wholeheartedly.
From: suzannetigger
man I hate when it posts before I get a chance to write anything. Anyway, I just got my new Live 67 CD in the mail today. and it's the first live Monkees album I have ever owned. I love it! I especially like the version of The Girl I knew somewhere with Mike and Micky harmonizing. I plan on listening to this one alot!
From: Estrella
The version of "The Girl I Knew Somewhere" that has Mike singing lead is on Rhino's 1995 CD reissue of Headquarters. Can be obtained at rhino.com or other online CD stores.
From: suzannetigger
Mark, The Bryce Jordan Center at PA State College seats 16,000. It should be interesting to see how many of those seats get filled.
From: Jennie
Just ran across this mini-article, talks about Pearlman, uses a Davy Jones quote, calls the Monkees "the first boy band in pop history" (**shudder**)...by today's definition, I don't think it's fair to call the Monkees a boy band, but I'd rather not get into that argument again...
O-Town Drops Boy Band Manager Page Six
Once, twice, three times a loser.
Lou Pearlman, the man who created flagship boy bands Backstreet Boys and 'N Sync - only to be fired as their manager once they hit it big - has been canned once again.
O-Town, the all-boy band whose formation was documented in an ABC television show, Making the Band, has followed in their predecessors' footsteps and dumped Pearlman for a new management team.
Actual Management, launched by former members of Pearlman's company, now handles fast-rising O-Town, whose current hit single is "All for Nothing."
Michael Friedman, a lawyer for Pearlman, insists the parting was "amicable."
"Lou is still involved with the group through contracts with the show, but he is no longer the day-to-day manager of the group," Friedman told The Post's Allyson Lieberman.
A rep for O-Town confirmed the split, but declined to comment on why they went their separate ways.
While Pearlman and his Transcontinental Records have amassed a fortune shaping packs of hunky young hopefuls into teen-pop groups that consistently top the charts, it hasn't been easy keeping the boys under contract.
As soon as they become stars - with Pearlman picking out the best songs available and bringing in top producers - the youngsters become dissatisfied with the original terms.
Earlier, 'N Sync waged a bitter legal battle against the Orlando-based Pearlman, calling him "unscrupulous" and "greedy" and a "loving father figure" who "took advantage of our trust." Pearlman and 'N Sync eventually settled out of court.
The Backstreet Boys also canned "Big Papa," as he is commonly known by the bands he creates, and signed on with new management teams.
But Pearlman, recognizing the short shelf life of boy bands, isn't too unhappy to see them go - it gives him a clear field to launch a new group.
Pearlman was once asked by Davy Jones of the Monkees - the '60s phenomenon known for hits like "Pleasant Valley Sunday" and now widely recognized as the first boy band in pop history - if groups like his would ever go out of style.
"I asked him [Pearlman], 'Where does it end?'" Jones told Page Six. "And he said, 'When they stop making little girls.'"
From: suzannetigger
Wow great CD! I really like You can't judge a bookby lookin at the cover. and thats the first time I ever heard the faster version of Wanna be free. I just love this CD!
From: cory
Mark, I'm more or less with ya, but you're coming off just a little bit harsh. The less serious post-ers won't linger, so they'll take care of themselves, I think. My fear is that your stricter stance might make less frequent post-ers like Linda - or kids who might grow into more serious fans - shy away from the site all together. They'll be too nervous about being criticized or ridiculed, or think of us heavy post-ers as sortof schoolyard bullies: "my turf, my rules". Everything will be fine. I'm more concerned about the clutter & chaos caused by these old postings!
From: john
You have named the best Rocker. What is your position on Pleasant Valley Sunday? Nez on lead. Peter on piano. Almost all Monkees singing. Social commentary. A great cut all around.
And by the way, and I ask this to the regulars also, is not Tomorrow's Gonna Be an underplayed song! Same great guitar work by the masters who played on Clarksville and Sat's Child. And one of the few Monkees tunes with harmonica. And has it ever been played live? I'll bet never. Try playing that one in your car full blast with the windows down. Instant Karma. Oh and does anyone know the dam lyric to the second line of the chorus in Sat's Child, the one after "...she drives me wild..." A timeless mystery.
From: Chris Coyle
Erica,
Glad to hear you are back. As you can see the layout of the board has a few grimlins eating at the software. You might have to re-type the subject line to make sure your reply shows up like you want it to.
Chris
From: **Ashley**
What row/section? I'm in center row QQ... but I really don't plan on staying there.
From: Chris Coyle
Jennie,
Thanks for posting the article. I don't think this Pearlman character is the right guy for the job heh?
Chris
From: suzannetigger
Hear Hear! I absolutly agree with you. Micky is one of the best pop singers I have heard and I really enjoy his Blues. I can never get enough of his singing. I sure hope he doesn't loose his range. He sounded pretty good in Easton back in March and hit all the high notes and stretches without any noticable problem.
From: Chris Coyle
Teresa,
Have a nice vacation and don't sweat it. We can all get along. Looking forward to your next post.
Chris
From: **Ashley**
...gonna spend my time... LoL
From: Estrella
Kind of wonder if Natural will decide to let go.
From: suzannetigger
sent you an email with my address if you want me to get you a cd when I go.
From: The Kid
Peralman seems to be a lot like Don Kirshner, or Bert and Bob. They're the right people to do the job, and they do it right, but the bigger these band's ego's get, they more they're gonna wanna do it their own way. Every Peralman band is taken under his wing, given fame, and then they dump him. If anyone is getting screwed in these situations, I think it's Peralman! We see how well the Backstreet Boys are faring without him. They're cancelling tour dates because they can't make the numbers. It's only so long before N*Sync and O*Town start to see what happens.
From: Suzietigger, some listening tips, John
Pay attention to Micky's drumming. It is irregular and he plays the hell out of the cymbals. It is interesting to note how he was still a novice drummer and seemed to ad lib frequently. Additionally, playing and singing at the same time is difficult and at times you can see that he had not completely mastered it yet. (Some Micky nut is probably going to write in now and attack me, but I point this out in the spirit of monkeelove debate only.)
And note how distorted Mike's git is. This is because the amp had to be turned up all the way to fill the arenas back then. Hence he got a natural distortion that today git players use special effects to achieve. Obviously there is not supposed to be any distortion on Sunny Girlfriend, but he has no choice.
And note that Peter's bass playing is flawless. As a git player I can tell you that you can't just pick up a bass and sound that good. That takes practice!
From: Jennie
The Kid, I don't think you have all the information...there are similarities, but Pearlman is not 'golden' like Kirschner was. Kirschner had a gift for recognizing hit music (even if he was a shady human being), but Pearlman is just working off a formula.
It's not about these bands thinking that they're too big to stay with Lou, it's about Lou ripping them off! I saw a program on CourtTV once that focused on Pearlman, and his legal difficulties with the Backstreet Boys and Nsync. The Backstreet Boys earned over $10 million while under Pearlman's control, but they received less than $300,000 (to split 5 ways!). The segment also cited the amount that Nsync had generated, versus the amount that they received (I can't remember the exact figures) and there was an even more astronomical difference between those numbers than the BSB. The fact is, Pearlman takes advantage of these groups because he can. As for the current situation with Natural, they didn't even want Pearlman for their management! One of the Natural boys got into some legal trouble and their old manager dumped the band off on Pearlman...
I definitely don't feel happy about the Monkees being involved with Pearlman, but I think they are old enough (read: wise enough, experienced enough) to see a bad deal. Hopefully that chip on Davy's shoulder will prevent them from being 'had' by Big Papa.
From: john
Oh My God!!! Are you sure? I have been trying to figure that out for 15 years!!???
Are you just guessing?
From: **Ashley**
I agree w/ you about posters posting less because they are afraid of being ridiculed (sp?). I don't post on the "deeper" topics because of that. Anyway... just wanted to say that I agree w/ you.
Peace n Gleeb
From: Davy Gurl
Does anyone know where I can get the mailing adresses of any the Monkees? I would like to write some fan letters. I'm new to the board, I'm suzannetigger's daughter.
From: CT
I don't see why every post has to be about who played what instrument on which song.
From: suzannetigger
actually that's what I really like about this cd. It's true grit Monkees with all of their imperfections and garage band sound. not the polished stuff you hear from a studio album
From: Stacey
Coming to NM, eh? Well have fun! That's where I live :). I'd thought for certain that the rest of the nation had forgotten about us! Except for Nez of course :)
From: Jason
Having seen the Monkees 5 times this was one of the best shows probably because my seats were right next to the stage. The guys seemed really into it eventhough you could tell it was opening night (equiptment malfunction, etc.) The setlist was basically the same as the spring. The highlight of the show for me was hearing Can You Dig It and Circle Sky and the lowlight had to be Davy singing Consider Yourself from Oliver. That part of the show needs to be dropped. At the end of the show, as Micky was walking off the stage he shook my hand so all in all it was a great show.
From: CT
Thank you Linda and Julianna!! I am glad there are people on this board that feel the same way i do. I just don't understand why some people want everything to be so serious. And, I too think the Dork Sticks are a great idea. As a matter of fact, I already have purple ones for myself and my two "MonkeeBuddies" (my mom and our best freind) to take to the next concerts we go to. By the way, is anyone here going to either o the Westbury NY concerts or the Buffalo NY concert? Gleeb, CT the Monkee Groupie
From: Mark T.
Welcome to the board!
You can find addresses for each Monkee by going to the main page at www.monkees.net and clicking on each guy's picture there. You'll see their addresses once you click, and can also find links to the guy's individual home pages.
From: Wayne Adderley
Hi Gang, I am seeing The Monkees in concert in London and have noticed that they are playing major venues and not small theatres, not bad for a made for TV band. All the best, Wayne
From: Mark T.
"Tomorrow's Gonna Be Another Day" is a great underrated Monkees song, which has never been performed live before!
Here are the lyrics to "Saturday's Child":
Monday had a sad child Always feeling low down, Tuesday had a dream child She's always on the go Now I'm in love with Saturday's child She drives me wild Gonna spend my time Makin' sure that Saturday's child is mine.
If you love a Wednesday You'll live your life apart now And if you love a Thursday She's gonna break your heart, So I'm in love with Saturday's child She drives me wild Gonna spend my time Makin' sure that Saturday's child is mine.
Seven days of the week made to choose from But only one is right for me I know that Saturday's got what it takes, babe. I can tell by the way she looks at me
Friday likes the good life She'll take you for a ride now And Sunday makes a good wife But she wants to be a bride So I'm in love with Saturday's child She drives me wild Gonna spend my time Makin' sure that Saturday's child is mine.
[repeat 8 bars 3 times then fade out]
The Monkees Lyrics Catalog can be found here:
http://www.monkees.net/lyrics/LYRICS.HTM
From: Mark T.
CT, you and others still don't get it.
I wash my hands clean of discussing it any further here on the board.
From: Mark T.
WOW! 16,000 is a lot....I doubt they'll fill it. I guess Fishof doesn't realize it's not 1986/87.
Maybe they'll cut the arena in half. Some arenas do that by putting a huge curtain down the middle of the arena. Let us know!
From: Mark T.
Hey Wayne, I think it's awesome that the trio are playing arenas in Europe in the fall.
I think one reason they are able to play arenas in your country is because the Monkees do not perform there as much as they do in America. The demand in places like the UK is greater. The European audiences have not been over-saturated as the American audiences can sometimes be (for example, '96 and '97 US).
Were you able to see the trio in '89 while they were in the UK?? Let us know!
From: Teresa in Texas
I'd really hate to think that the Monkees ever jumped the shark, but you know, in the 2nd season, when Mike skipped several shows--that sort of was the beginning of the end to the show.
From: Mark T.
Great points about Pearlman! Jennie, you hit the nail on the head. This Pearlman guy is a user and abuser it seems. I'd like the Monkees to be as far away from him as possible, but I'm afraid that as long as Natural is incorporated into the Monkees' concert, Pearlman will be around.
However, I think Pearlman has little to zilch influence on the Monkees of today. Pearlman is there for Natural, and it was Pearlman who inked the deal with Fishof. So, I think the Monkees thought they might have a good thing here and kinda cash in on the wave of boy band mania, but I think it's beginning to fade and it doesn't look like Natural is going to do it. (Or, is it to early to say???)
From: THANKS MARK
From: Re: To Linda re: the discussion board
Oh, come on, Mark! "Fly-by-nighters"? Stereotypifing people just weakens your point.
Okay, let's take down the screen names of those who have posted this month and see where they are in six months and what reasons they have for not posting here anymore. "I have too many things to deal with in my life", "I don't have access to the internet as much as I did before", "I don't find *anything* new to talk about where The Monkees are concerned (especially after being censored), but I still listen to their music at times".
You expect people to be regular posters here and only talk about The Monkees in a serious manner, or else they're deemed not real fans? Cree-py.
Kind of ironic though, I mean, Nez was trying to make The Monkees such a serious group and look what the critics thought.
From: suzannetigger
Have no fear, I definately will be posting after the show and let you all know how full it was and everything
From: CT
Good.
From: Mark T.
Well, this couldn't be helped. Mike's wife was in a serious accident during filming and I believe he was quite ill for another show he missed.
From: Steph - to Chris
Thanks Chris! Yeah, I was considering those two, I'm glad I got a second opinion. I will have to check those out - and I've been toying with just splurging on Elephant Parts. Maybe I'll just get the CDs and the video all in one shot. (My credit card just groaned)
How is Television Parts by the way? The clip of Elephant Parts on Videoranch was interesting-in a good way :)
Thanks :) Steph
From: Mark T
Did Peter happen to comment about the actual venue itself, the Fox Theater, during the show? He and Micky both have commented on how they love playing there.
I believe the Monkees played the Fox Theater in 1987 and 1989 too.
From: Steph - to Chris
Thanks Chris! Yeah, I was considering those two, I'm glad I got a second opinion. I will have to check those out - and I've been toying with just splurging on Elephant Parts. Maybe I'll just get the CDs and the video all in one shot. (My credit card just groaned)
How is Television Parts by the way? The clip of Elephant Parts on Videoranch was interesting-in a good way :)
Thanks :) Steph (I'm sorry if this posted twice)
From: Jason
I believe that Davy was the one who said that they thought the Fox was one of the most elaborate places that they will play. Davy commented that he was in Oliver in 1965 when it played at the Fox Theatre.
From: CT
Good.
From: john
I have to say that I was not bothered by the Oliver medley, even though I ave now seen three shows this year. I think he does it well and he enjoys doing it.
Would I rather hear Star collector, Man Without a Dream or Early Morning Blues & Greens ( or whatever its called, by the way did he write that?)? HELL YES.!!
From: Stacey
First of all, I'd like to say that everything Linda R said, I agree with whole-heartedly!! Second of all, I'm only 15, but I'm no summer-tour "fly-by-nighter" 3 month fan! I've loved and respected the Monkees since I was 10 years old and continue to collect music, episodes and information on them. I am fully aware that they are no longer 25 years old and that they never really lived at Beachwood drive. And please don't insult my intelligence in such a manner!! My GPA in school this year was 4.25 so apparently I'm not just some idiot. I am also fully aware that Peter Tork is 59 years old, and you know what? He is THE SEXIEST 59 YEAR OLD MAN I HAVE EVER SEEN!!!
What is all this about “serious discussion”?? Don’t get me wrong, I do want to have serious discussions about the Monkees, but that doesn’t mean that we aren’t allowed to have any fun or call them sexy! The only reason I might not be here writing in six months from now is because I would feel so incredibly upset by all the things you’re accusing me and the younger generation of. You know? And if I was really some “obsessed teeny bopper whose flavour changes weekly”, I would be in love with freaking N SYNC, not the Monkees (and the Beatles for that matter). What do you mean, “cartoonish discussions”??? I happen to think that Blue Dork Sticks are a good idea, and I don’t think it’s an annoyance for people to talk about them!
And so what if certain people don’t post often on the board? Maybe they quit because they thought that certain people were a drag! I mean, come on, we’re not a cult here, are we?? It’s not some kind of law that “you MUST post at least one time every week or you will be banished FOREVER!!”. At least not to my knowledge!
And as for me and Julianna’s posts about “is that you?” and “You’re nosy!”…we happen to be best friends who went to a Monkees concert together and we were just trying to figure it out. It’s not like we waisted TONS of space on those few little sentences! And once we got it figured out, it’s not like we posted some update on our freindship every day, we just write and contribute our opinions on the board like everyone else.
Also, why would we want to post about deeper topics when we’re so afraid that just because we’re under 21 or because we weren’t born in the 60s (like Linda said, we can’t help when we were born.) we are going to get ridiculed for our personal opinions.
Peter: ...and nobody listens to kids talking for kids because kids are only kids, you know, and they go through this vicious cycle, authority does. I’m being very general because I don’t wanna like call names or anything. Davy: The reason I haven’t spoken all this time is because that it doesn’t matter what I say; nobody’ll listen to me because I’m under twenty-one. (Micky laughs) So I’m just keeping my mouth shut.
That is from an interview with the Monkees that I’m sure you’ve seen. And right now I’m being pretty able to relate to what they’re saying!!
In my opinion, there really isn’t any “childish or nonsensical bull ****” on this board except for you reprimanding everyone who has a little bit of fun.
Anyways, I’m sorry this was so long, but you cannot just attack (or severely reprimand when no wrong has been done) some 15 year old girl, or anyone for that matter! and expect no response.
From: JOHN
What songs on the first 7 albums did Davy write or co-write? Any?
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From: wendy
hi, i went to see the monkees in new mexico and they didnt have the cd out for the first leg of the tour. since they dont seem to be coming to texas would you pick up a cd for me? my email address is wendythe1@aol.com thanks, wendy
From: Wayne Adderley
Hi Mark and gang, yes I did see The Monkees UK tour in 89, I was 14 then. I then saw them again in 97 with Mr Nesmith with the band, and now I'm 26 and still a very big Monkees fan, and I am looking forward to my next Monkees concert.
From: brad@monkees.net
Did they play Last Train as the first song? I've had reports that they did not play their traditional first song, and I find it hard to believe! thanks.
From: Estrella
Chris, I don't remember who said it, but I thought it didn't matter what the critics thought? Even if people don't see silliness going on here, they are barely going to see a serious, two-way discussion about The Monkees on this board. The reality is Monkee discussion doesn't have enough material to be innovative and fruitful, and yet serious at the same time, all the time.
After we spat out all the banal trivia, what's left without risking repeating the same bits over and over and over until somebody goes goo goo g'joob? Yes, it's a bit much to have too much silly stuff, but the converse (the whole "serious" look) is a bit much also. One extreme doesn't make the other more sanctimonious.
From: Mark T.
David co-wrote or wrote the following songs from the first original nine Monkees albums:
Hard To Believe (co-written with Kim Copli) /
from PISCES
Co Written with Steve Pitts:
Dream World (from BIRDS, BEES...)
The Poster (from BIRDS, BEES...)
Co-written with Bill Chadwick:
You and I (from INSTANT REPLAY)
If I Knew (from PRESENT)
The French Song (from PRESENT)
Davy also is listed as co-writer on Goin' Down, Zilch and Band Six.
There are also many Jones-written songs from the various box sets (Smile) and Missing Links volumes (War Games--a great song, Changes, etc).
From JUSTUS:
You and I (co-written with Micky)
Oh, What a Night
It's My Life
Let me know someone if I've left anything out.
From: Mark T.
Wayne, very cool that you caught the '89 tour. Which show did you enjoy more? I guess that's an easy one, huh? You can't beat having all four onstage for a full concert.
I'm still bitter that America never got to see it! ;-)
From: Mark T.
I left out his composition of "Love You Forever" from Pool It!
From: Tyme
Stacey, I'm only a few years older than you, but I can see(and completely understand) where yer coming from. I actually have been trying to stay out of these threads for the exact reason I shouldn't. I was worried about something that I might say would make the 1st generation fans upset or preturbed. I love the Monkees for what they are (or at least what I see them for), The cast of a TV show that turned into a real live band (and no, that's not the same as Micky's vulcan line, thank goodness ;). I have been a fan of The Monkees since 1987 when my older brother and I would watch the TV show (I already told this story so I'm not going to elaborate, if you really wanna know, go back to the old discussion bored and it's under like long story or something) After the show when I got older I learned to really appreciate the music, and thanks to the internet I became completely devoted to The Monkees, their TV show and their music. I love learning new things about the guys and I love to watch them perform dispite their age. I don't live in the past, I don't think that they're all still 25 and the only time I ever thought they lived at beechwood was when I was 4 and 5. (Can I be ridiculed for that?) I consider myself to be a pretty serious fan, but, maybe others wouldn't think so. If that be the case I'm sorry. I can't help what I like and the way I like it. I have been a basically loyal Monkee fan for over 10 years and I'm not going to stop being a fan after the tour is over. I'm sure there'll be a point in my life when I get too old to like them as much as I do now, but I know I'll always appreciate them and their music.
Peace and Gleeb,
Tyme